Apologist, any of the Christian writers, primarily in the 2nd century, who attempted to provide a defense of Christianity and criticisms of paganism and other aspects of Greco-Roman culture. So theres nothing in scripture that contradicts that. Okay. However, the earliest evidence for this alleged event comes 600 years afterward, in the second century after Christ. So whenever you want to begin, I will click the 10 minute button. And it is from the pure fiction of the proto evangelium of James, Odes of Solomon, the Ascension of Isaiah, the Transitus of Pseudo-Melito, and other false gospels and apocryphal literature, some attached with anathemas by early popes for entertaining these works. Because I believe that, I think Steve would agree, baptism is at least an ordinance we ought to carry out. Dr. Tony Costa and Steve Christie, The Issue of Canon and Sola Scriptura - The Council, Presuppositional Apologetics Round Up: Third week of August 2021 | The Domain for Truth, Response to Sam Shamoun's post Purgatory debate recap of Dr. Michael Brown against William Albrecht - The Council, Responding to Gary Michuta's Abel to Zechariah Counter-Arguments with Steve Christie & Paul - The Council, The Marian Dogmas Contradict Scripture, Trent Horn Vs. Steve Christie - The Council, Necessitarianism: Conceive of the Possibilities. I do. And this includes Mary, who Jesus saved her by redeeming and delivering her from her sins. The 34-yard field goal came with just :03 seconds to play, lifting the Bills to 4-4 on the season. Both conditions were initially treatable, but he declined treatment. A concrete example of this would be sacrifice. Im not saying thats a required view, but its a quite plausible one. Christie also claims Jesus reference to the Pharisee Nicodemus as the teacher of Israel (John 3:10) meant the Pharisees had unique teaching authority over other Jews. So ultimately Steve has the burden here to show that the Marian dogmas contradict scripture, and hes brought up a lot of points. On the one hand he could show the Bible teaches the opposite of these dogmas regarding Mary as an individual. Also the Greek word for brother, its not always you to represent full brothers. H. After an in-depth study of the writings of the Church Fathers, both Steve and his wife Janet converted to the Catholic Church. Alright? We discovered it, carbon-dated it, thats the cross Jesus died on. In the declaration on the specific dogma, the immaculate conception of Mary, theres absolutely nothing in the dogma itself that says anything that this part is infallible. A19: Interview with Apologetics.com: The Minimal Facts Argument. Trent, whenever you begin, Ill click the timer. We believe all Christian's should be able to defend their faith in God & Jesus of Nazareth. In fact, Protestants believe in many doctrines that are not found in scripture like their 66 book cannon of scripture where that public revelation ended in the first century. The Buffalo Bills officially signed Christie to a one-day contract, thus to retire as a Buffalo Bill. But I think Steve would agree the word adelphos typically means a person has the same biological father and mother and of course, Steve doesnt believe that because he believes Jesus has no biological father. Posts about Steve Jobs written by Christian Apologist. What about after the apostolic age? If it was, the New Testament writers would not deviate from it occasionally and use their own Greek translation. Im not sure why she would be surprised when told that shes going to have a son, given that under Jewish law, she and Joseph were free to engage in conjugal relations even right at that moment after the angel had left. Instead, these manuscripts contain the deuterocanonical books, and they correspond to the Church councils of this era such as Hippo and Carthage that also affirmed the inspiration of these books. You just have to join locals in the same way youd have to join Twitter or Facebook to get access to it. Lets debate the Apocrypha! Id probably enjoy Polycarp. No one else ever before in the history of salvation had been asked to do something like that. Make an Appointment So then it isnt literally saying every single human has sinned or every man has sinned. And we know this because this is explicitly stated in scripture. steve.christie@phmloans.com. It is a matter of which authority are you willing to submit to. All right. Yeah. But that is simply not the case. When early followers of Jesus began to focus their adoration on Mary, rather than on Christ alone, Jesus responded, Rather blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it. Thank you. Your view is that the word adelphos, what it means in the brethren is that its talking about Jesus and siblings, they have the same mother but they have different fathers. Were going to be taking those questions. It says in the plural, May their camp be a desolation. They have also lived in Garden City Park, NY and Bayside, NY. Okay. Christie claims the Hebrew canon was closed by Ezra and other learned men at an event called the Great Synagogue. And my contention is that if Adam had not fallen and inherited original sin, he would not have died. But while infants may not have committed a personal sin, they still need salvation in Christ because they inherited original sin. If any man should presume to make such an attempt, let him know that he will incur the wrath of almighty God and the blessed apostles, Peter and Paul. In that day, you will surely die. Which he eventually did. I mean, focusing on it saying that they had the same mothers is a little bit of a strawman because thats an argument that youre using which I feel is really irrelevant because you could use the argument that Jesus had younger half sisters because theres nothing in that passage to eliminate that possibility. Zacharias' daughter, Sarah Davis, posted a message on the website of Ravi Zacharias International Ministries on Tuesday, titled " Ravi Zacharias, Now With Jesus ," confirming that the . In his recent book Why Protestant Bibles Are Smaller, Protestant apologist Steve Christie claims that all Christians should accept the Protestant Old Testament canon and reject the deuterocanonical books of Judith, Tobit, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, 1and 2 Maccabees, and portions of Daniel and Esther. Does it say that every single human being without exception has committed a sin? But lets have this be the last response to a response, because then Im going to ask Trent to question, then you are going to get to respond to that. Christie claims that Jesus declaration to the Pharisees about all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar was actually an endorsement of the Protestant Old Testament canon. There is no exception there. It can mean half-sister, stepsister, sister-in-law.. Okay. Many Protestant scholars say Wis-dom 2 either contains a messianic prophecy or Matthew used this passage as a template when he described Jesus crucifixion. Well the thing is, in both cases in the Septuagint and in Lukes gospel, theyre both in the perfect passive of participle, so theyre being used the same way. By utilizing electric acoustic guitar and digitally recorded performance tracks with the technology of digital harmony Steve performs your favorite hits, "flawlessly". I also want to thank Trent for agreeing to our second debate and we hit over 800, I saw in there, which actually our first debate, so praise Jesus for that. Its called Morning Coffee, where we all sit down together, have a coffee and have a very casual chat. He rejected that dogma, though he did not believe Matthew 1:25 proved it. It doesnt explicitly state that is [inaudible 01:14:05]. Steve Skojec, Christian Apologetics, and the Problem of Faith June 2, 2021 Esther O'Reilly Patheos Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Well, whats interesting is that Steve actually had very good objections to some of these arguments. So that doesnt take away from what an errancy is about, which is Scriptures specific affirmations related to what it affirms. Well, why would I believe that Marys parents-. Dear catholic.com visitors: This website from Catholic Answers, with all its many resources, is the worlds largest source of explanations for Catholic beliefs and practices. Calvin did not believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary. Oh, absolutely. When Matthew 1:25 writes, Joseph kept Mary a virgin until she gave birth to a son, the specific Greek words [foreign language 00:02:06] when translated until, is used consistently in the New Testament to refer to a change in condition. Did they believe that the doctrine of Marys perpetual virginity violated the authority of scripture? Moreover, his arguments for a shorter Old Testament canon are contradicted by the biblical and historical evidence. There is an article, I might share this soon, by a Catholic philosopher, Jack Mulder, where he talks about, Mary being immaculate conceived, its fitting and may be required because that way, Mary is perfectly able to consent to become pregnant with our savior. Oct 10 My debate against Dr Robert Sungenis has been RESCHEDULED for Tues Nov 8 at 8pm EST: youtube.com First theres a dogma of Theotokos, Mary being the mother of God. I think thats really terrific. Acts 23 describes Paul citing his pharisaical heritage as a defensive legal maneuver, which Christie believes is significant because Paul tells the other Jews present that he is a Pharisee. Born Second Samuel 6:23 says, Michal the daughter of Saul had no child to or eos the day of her death. Which of course she did not have children after she died. Yeah. Heres one, Trent, I dont like and I wonder what you think about it. Ye, because Jesus younger half sibling was Joseph while Jesus father was God. How do we know this from the New Testament? Enoch and Elijah would be an example. And also I know others whove done a lot of work on this. So whenever you are ready, Ill click the timer. Now in the Septuagint as well as in the New Testament, adelphos is used to talk about people who have the same father but different mothers. Or Steve could show Bible teaches the opposite of these dogmas in regard to every single human being without exception, which would include Mary. Its always nice to see people who are willing to put forward rigorous argument and engage others charitably. Trent, whenever you begin, Ill click the timer. Trent had mentioned about Mary and her Magnificat saying, God, my savior, and she was referring back to Hannah. A person could be a Protestant, because we have to understand what a Protestant is and we have to go back to the Reformation for it. Okay. Do you? . He says, Jesus words would have sounded exactly the same if the narrative of Zechariahs death had occurred in the book of Kings or in the Psalms. When Jesus mother and brothers approach him later in verse 31, Jesus contrasts his biological brothers who dishonored him with his disciples, who were his spiritual brothers, who did the will of God. And itll be really quick. Its like, because-. (Hebrews 11:35b, 2 Maccabees 6,7), Is the Apocrypha or Deutero-Canonical Books Part of the Bible? So Steve is saying that the word adelphi, which means sister. Yeah. No, I can think of anything like that, but I would say that Marys status as being the God bearer would mean thered be many truths that are quite unique to her that we dont find in either old or New Testament. Yeah. So final question I have for each of you, well start with Steve and then Trent. Since Christians are not bound to accept their ideas about what Scripture meant regarding the messiah or the need to follow the Mosaic law, we arent bound to follow what they considered to be the boundaries of the canon, which was disputed even among the Pharisees. The only son? In the Darby translation of the New Testament, where in second Thessalonians Chapter 2, when it talks about worshiping images and worshiping idols, it actually uses the word veneration and it literally can be translated worship. No. This contradicts the last dogma of the Bodily Assumption of Mary to Heaven infallibly defined ex cathedra by Pope Pius the 12th in 1950, which states after the completion of her earthly life was assumed body and soul into the glory of heaven, which strongly implies she died first. And Id like my little mini rebuttal, very quick points, Matt, that is a topic for another debate. The Pharisees had unique teaching authority in Israel, and the Pharisees canon was essentially the same as the Protestant Old Testament canon. Steve Hays (1959-2020) We just learned that Steve Hays has passed away in a hospice. Probably not like any other piece of wood. As far as original sin, if you look at catholic.com, the encyclopedia, it states that The Second Council of Orange, it states that, The death of the body, which is the punishment for sin. In other words, sin results in death of the body. Geoffrey Stephen "Steve" Christie (born November 13, 1967) is a former Canadian American football placekicker in the National Football League, who, as a member Steve Christie - Nangungunang mga yugto ng podcast You can finish your thought, if you want real quick, Steve. Did they believe Marys Well were out of time, so [inaudible 01:16:57]. And again, what I argued is how adelphi is used consistently in the New Testament Greek, not how its used in a Greek translation of the Old Testament. Just keep it shorter than his response. Because the word adelphi would imply that they Its normal use would be that you have the same parents, at least one of the same parents. Scripture reveals Mary was a Virgin, but conflicts with her being a perpetual Virgin. Well start with you, Steve. A Real Ale Loving Scottish Crime Writer. While scripturally affirming Jesus is the son of God, they contradict scripture by claiming that Jesus is Michael the archangel, because scripture affirms Michael is a created being while Jesus is the eternal deity. That has not been handed down to us but that she was assumed in heaven was even though [inaudible 01:06:39]. So yeah, this is awesome. This means Mary was earthy like Adam, before she was heavenly once Jesus redeemed and delivered her. One, the sole non-falsifiable and fallible authority of the Roman Catholic church, sola ecclesia, which teaches these Marian Dogmas versus a sole infallible authority of scripture sola scriptura, which contradicts them. In the 2000 season, Christie was an instrumental part of the Bills' eight victories. Steve Cable, April 18, 2022 Steve Cable explains how the apostle Peter showed himself to be a master apologist, not the bumbling, brash fisherman he used to be. It doesnt mention sin there. You can also reach me on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube. Well, right. Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading WHY PROTESTANT BIBLES ARE SMALLER: A Defense of the Protestant Old Testament Canon. I addressed this a little bit during the debates of the specific Greek word [inaudible 01:21:19], which is translate full of grace or highly favored, even Jimmy Akin from Catholic answers that. And Trent and I would agree that doesnt mean it, in fact, that wasnt even an argument. Certainly they were baptized Catholics, but they opposed whatever they thought the church taught that contradicted sacred Scripture in a wide variety of doctrines, except they didnt contradict on Mary being the mother of God or her being ever Virgin. Isiah wrote the deliverer will come out of Zion. And then Steve, what are some objections you hear from Protestants to Catholics that you dont think are good? As Roman Catholics, because Mary was not an issue, they did have a problem with her being a perpetual Virgin and I believe Calvin was kind of on the fence about it, so its irrelevant because theyre Catholic. Thats because they quoted primarily from the Septuagint, or the Greek Old Testament. I was wrong there. But it doesnt say anything about him being bodily assumed or anything. 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