What can one expect from people who prefer grappa to the true Water of Life? Slainte. There is neither protestant nor catholic whiskey available. The make up of the folks who work at Bushmills reflects the religous makeup of Northern Ireland roughly 40% Roman Catholic. Your grandfather may have lost friends back in the early 20th century to the Black & Tans and im sorry to hear that, but guess what? Today in Trader Joes, the checker looked at my bottle of Bushmills and then at me and asked, Catholic or Protestant? I had never heard that one before. I got into Powers through my wife, ans she learned of it from Shane MacGowan(s music). Usually King James Version. Look for a new addition to the landscape, The Irishman Original Clan & Single Malt. Also how does Navan end up in a Heineken? Being good to people is the very best thing you can do for yourself. What is the lore and legend and reputation of Tullamore Dew? Well Kentucky used to be part of the state of Virginia, but that doesnt mean you blame the whiskey for something that happened in that state. Every time you raise a glass of Bushmills you are in essence raising a glass to an Irishman losing his land (and in some cases his life) to British rule!! Corvallisbarman is half right. I no longer consider myself Catholic, btw. The Catholic Whiskey in Dublin was John Powers. Currently sipping on a Writers Tears neat & have two types of Teeling, The Irishman single malt, The Irishman Founders Reserve, a 12 y/o Redbreast, a GreenSpot single pot, a Powers John Lane Release, a Middleton Barry Crockett Legacy, a 12 y/o Jameson Special Reserve, & a Green Spot still to try. If it was a genuine issue then bars wouldnt serve both. John Jameson was Pentecostal. Makes me want to get on a plane to Dublin immediately., Its like loving the smell of a sharpie or gasoline, in small way Kelsey Crenshaw. Never tried Redbreast for some reason. While were tossing around personal stories, about 20 years ago I met some younger guys from Glasgow at a local pub, and I mentioned how I knew that neither Scotland nor Ireland were altogether warm with England, but I didnt know how the Irish and Scots felt about each other. . The attitudes and actions of German Catholics and Protestants during the Nazi era were shaped not only by their religious beliefs, but by other factors as well, including: Backlash against the Weimar Republicand the political, economic, and social changes in Germany that occurred during the 1920s Anti-Communism Nationalism In 1841, John Power, grandson of the founder was awarded a baronetcy, a hereditary title. The waitress stared at me, and said in her thick brogue, This is an IRISH pub. I looked at her and said, okay, Ill have a Harp. Here in Montana, that conversation wouldnt have made any sense. Ive used Irish Whiskey in Old Fashions and Sours before with tasty results. Whiskey and Cocktails Uisce Beatha or Water of Life has been distilled in Ireland for many centuries and possibly even for millennia. I am for Bushmills especially sprinkled over banana bread. Simple business transaction where both sides benefit. Though I like all of the ones mentioned above more. West Virginia is the only U.S state where you can legally handle venomous serpents to prove your faith. I wanted to explore one of t, @teremana has been my new favorite tequila since t, Happy Repeal Day! I prefer the taste of Bushmills as its smoother where Jameson is a sharper taste. Not one of ya mentions Knappogue Castle. Just a point, Jameson is traditionally a Dublin Whiskey, originally distilled and blended in Bow Street in dublins Smithfield. Only if you are an idiot! Period. Theyve also started work on a massive bottling plant on site to bring all areas of Dew production back to the town. If you had and asked for Bushmills, you would have received a long stare and possibly been asked to leave. I grew up thinking I was half Czech and half Irish Catholic. I am also a fan of Tullemore and Black Bush. This works in the same way that Protestants love their Guinness just as much as Roman Catholics in fact, I know a lot of Catholics who never drink the stuff. Yup, only the americans give a shit about this stuff anymore. Not what I would call a cheap whisley, albeit there are many out there that can cost a fair penny more. It is either good or it is not. Though Jameson is currently distilled in lovely Cork, it was actually founded and first distilled in Dublin. Im not sure if this is truth or myth but I cannot drink Bushmills due to there even being a chance of truth in that because of the awful stories I heard about those F&[emailprotected]$&$ convicts (the black and tans) the Brits let loose on the people of Ireland. Paid 10 Euro for a shot of it in Dublin, and well worth the price. The last member of the family to sit on the board was Sir Thomas Talbot Power,[8] who died in 1930,[10] and with him the Power's Baronetcy. My post was simple stating that the problem still exists. It wasnt an issue about who owns what. The Holy Roman Empire Check it out: http://whiskiesoftheworld.com. Just as in an area which is largely Catholic you would expect most employees to be Catholic. so stop bringing religion into alcoholdrink what you like and leave the bigotry at the doorif people spent a few hours getting to know each other over a drink we wouldnt have half the discrimination we have today. Shortly after reading this post I dropped by Mortons to see a bartender friend. I was born in West Belfast and I can tell you, that most Catholics prefer Jamesons. Looking for Irish Whiskey to use in a recipe for bread pudding I paid a visit to our local liquor store and inquired as to the best Irish Whiskey available. I am still cradling my Bushmills 12 yr Distillery Reserve Whiskey. I am Northern Irish and really only see this being an Irish American issue. Its summer here in Oregon, which means barbecues, camping trips and river floats are on the agenda for the next few months. Though Bushmills is the #2 Irish whiskey in the U.S., Tullamore Dew is #2 Irish whiskey (after Jameson) worldwide, so not too surprising that you would see it most places. Most protestant in my area have a real problem with Catholics. And not to get too specific, but given the choice, Irish Canandian Dry in the clear glass bottle (opposed to the green bottle or Finches). Funny. linseed oil is used on its own or blended with other drying oils, resins and solvents as an impregnator and varnish in wood finishing, as a pigment binder in oil paints, as a plasticizer and hardener in putty and in the manufacture of linoleum. from wikipedia, Michael Jackson My grandfather lost friends due to the awful abuses that were brought upon the Irish in the Republic by the Englishs Black and Tans, rumor has it the original owner of Bushmills was granted the right to distill due to the fact he helped suppress the Irish in the north from uprising against the British. In whiskey world Northern Ireland is considered to be part of the irish island so no reason to judge Bushmills to be protestant or not. Currently rumored to be building a new distillery, Well, I already put my two cents in well up the thread, but here is some topical good news for the distillery in the North2013 Spirit of the Year: Bushmills http://www.winemag.com/Web-2013/2013-Spirit-of-the-Year-Bushmills/, Having just had this discussion with my buddy who was bribed with a bottle of Bush to express his love of it via twitter (which he refused, good man that he is) I have to say the following-. I was raised Catholic by my mother after the parents divorced when I was three. The 1608 license is not marketing shite, but did refer to the area of the town of Bushmills. The Ambassador had both Jameson and Bushmills on offer. Found it very smooth to the tongue. Plus, many of the whiskies can be sipped neat or on the rocks. Delicious! Catholic fiction teaches us then how to better read the Bible, which demands the both/and reading of the letter and spirit. A few years ago during a trip to Ireland we had dinner at the home of some relatives. Bad Catholic that I am, I always drank Bushmills over Jameson. We dont live in the dark ages anymore, though clearly prejudice and ignorance persist. I completely understand what Matt is saying regarding religious intolerence. [9] They were the first Dublin distillery to do so, and one of the first in the world. It has shaped Ireland's agriculture, literature, song and now, more than ever - our economy.. Good evening All, As an American, am I being disloyal to Scotland when I drink Jamesons? The good news is I dont have to worry about car bomb in Hicktown. Im thankful for everyone who, New York City! Argument ended.. Jameson is the Catholic whiskey, Bushmills is the Protestant one, despite the efforts of the Bushmills PR department to spin it otherwise. I could be fairly sure the master distiller was hired because he was good at distilling whiskey and not because they needed to hire a Catholic. I can just say Cheers! It resulted in the creation of a branch of Christianity called Protestantism, a name used collectively to refer to the many religious groups that separated from the Roman Catholic Church due to differences in doctrine. Whiskey is Catholic. This is excellent. The Protestant Reformation began in Wittenberg, Germany, on October 31, 1517 . Upon this one should decide which whiskey they prefer, and not upon any religous matter. When Tug McGraw was interviewed after winning the world series in 1980, they asked him what he was going to spend his series winnings on. In 1998 Bushmills was part of IDL, which owned all the whiskies coming out of Ireland with the excpetion of the few from Cooley. As the rain pummels the ground here in the Pacific Northwest, a little window of blue sky nestled between two dark clouds in the neighboring distance makes me wish I were watching the rain fall from across a dark ocean, my little Caribbean fishing, Update! My grandmother preferred Bushmills (on ice, with a large splash of water). As a Scotsman living in Scotland, Id say I f youre worried about the religion of your whiskey then perhaps you shouldnt be drinking. Jameson is a blended potstill whiskey (malted + Unmalted grain blended with grain whiskey). It was largely untouched by the Troubles and paramilitaries. Enjoy your whiskey and spare a kind word for everyone. There will always be a few zealots who do, but from my knowledge, both Bushmills and Jamesons are enjoyed by people of both faiths. Dear sir, I know you did a bit onSangrita, but I was wondering if you have a good recipe for Sangria. Ive lost members of my family to the IRA in THIS generation. In a TALL glass.one shot of If they do in fact have a Catholic Master Distiller, he is probably just the token worker. Funny how these things work out, innit? I was wondering when someone would ask this question. Believe in the Trinity of God. Why even Arthur Guinness was a prod. And as you can check from the email address I come from Finland, a protestant country. In: St. Patrick's Day. Im a man who likes to know what he is drinking. Theres not catholic or protestant whiskey. In the tv show The Wire McNulty made a comment about not drinking that fucking Protesant whiskey when asked by Bunk why he always drank Jamesons. In April I went to Jerusalem. Bushmills, on the other hand, was officially licensed in 1608 by King James I (of Bible fame) and despite of its location deep in the heart of Protestant country (and this next bit is straight from my local Bushmills rep, so take it or leave it) has a Catholic as a master distiller. @Eamonn: always good to hear from a Dubliner. Help! I always love showing up with a gallon jug of pre-mixed margaritas for the party, so Ive. Prefer the Irish whiskeys but never met a single malt I didnt savor. Tim, I made a great Manhattan variation last night with 2oz Powers Gold Label, 1oz Carpano Punt E Mes and a dash or two of Angostura (regular, not orange), stirred up with a cherry garnish and enjoyed it very much indeed. What a great treat. I sincerely doubt that there are too many Irish Catholics who care about the religion attached to what they drink. Im coming to celebrate Repeal Da, Fall book drop. The Fair Employment Commission gave Bushmills a clean bill of health. History matters which is why the Catholic/Protestant thing is relevant. I rag on about political whisky to those who are green only on the 17th and 18th of March.Hell, I even Up here in Canada (BC) its quite difficult to find. Cheers! Polarised. hint of linseed. In all the pubs in NYC, no one seemed to really care that I noticed from either side of the bar. As Jameson only uses the bourbon barrels once, the color and flavor is more reminiscent of American bourbon. Michael Collins is a newcomer to the market place. Fact: the worst atrocities in the Irish struggle for freedom were perpetrated by the Irish on each other and were not likely fueled by religious affiliation but the politics of the time. The cheap Evan Williams Black Label at half the price (in the USA)has more taste and more of a kick. The fun is is teasing those who do not know/care to understand. Bushmills does not, to my certain knowledge, employ Catholics as certain industries/companies are, let us say, reserved for one tribe or another in the Black North. For this reason, Bushmills has a bigger flavor, while Jameson has a much lighter flavor. #103. There are some amazing ones, FYI, I will leave it at that. So bottoms up. Dont fall for those expensive effete offerings. Having just visited Ireland, I spent time in both the north and the ROI. A Mac computer geek thats too young to retire and too old for male prostitution. This must be one of the most pointless debates I have seen in a long time. Corned beef as it exists today is an industrial product which was created during the British Industrial Revolution, with production centred around Ireland. Bushmills was my first taste of Irish Whiskey. The Protestant/Catholic thing was explained to me as a labor dispute where a bunch of Catholic Derrymen were laid off from the Bushmills distillery or some shite. Methodist and Presbyterian. Jameson was moved down to cork and is my distilled in Middleton, though I believe it is blended in Clondalkin, which is a Dublin suburb. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. Brands! Now this character I met at the bar is trying to tell me its the other way around. In 1886, John Power & Son began bottling their own whiskey, rather than following the practice customary at the time, of selling whiskey directly to merchants and bonders who would bottle it themselves. Currently, I go though a case of Jameson for every bottle of Bushmills that we sell at our bar. None of that means shit. Tullamore Dew, Powers, Paddy, Midleton Very Rare, Green Spot, and . It has been my favorite since discovering it at the Buena Vista Cafe in San Francisco. Another Figoli Quinn Website (Digital Ocean) | [2], In 1791 James Power, an innkeeper from Dublin, established a small distillery at his public house at 109 Thomas St., Dublin. I do drink whatever. Car bombs, kidnappings, murders, protests, etc. Bushmills, in turn, supplies the Midleton Distillery with single malt, which they use to make Tullamore DEW. In return, Bushmills receives grain whiskey from both Midleton & Cooley. Nice lark, it is my keeper whiskey (special occasion), while Powers is now my everyday spirit. Powers is readily available in the Balto/Wash area. Seriously (though I actually was), I very much appreciated the original article, as I had had often wondered about that Jamesons = Catholic; Bushmills = Protestant thing. Such crap why are all these experts so called Irishmen living in US. When I explained this myth to customers in Ireland they all had a good laugh. He replied, Bushmills. : ). However, the only brand of Irish I ever saw in the Balkans was Tullamore Dew. I am Catholic and Slovak and do not care what the British have done to the Irish. In Ireland theyd drink either, but rarely had enough money for more than a pint o the local beer. The Thirty Years' War was a series of wars in Central Europe between 1618 and 1648. Next Post Xante Pear Liqueur (Not A Sex Toy). Well, Jeffrey Morgenthaler, youve clearly never been to a privately owned Irish Catholic pub. Some, like Jameson, are owned by Catholic companies. Ill have to try a Manhattan next. Potatoes for supper Irish for the whiskey You wouldnt really understand the depth of the situation. mhermher 9 yr. ago I always remark "that's Protestant whiskey" at any mention of bushmills, but no one ever catches the reference. These are the books and tools I use every single day to make drinks at home and behind the bar. It was the anti-Catholic hiring practices that Bushmills employed in Northern Ireland that fueled the snub. And I obviously know alot about it being from Ireland and the horrific scenes of the troubles. The full like of Bushmills (and a couple of other Irish whiskeys) will be available for sampling at Whiskies of the World on March 27th. The whole time I was in Dublin (or even while I was Belfast) I never once heard anyone say anything about any whiskey having a religion. However, it is generally accepted that the catagory, as a whole, is spelt that way as well. This kind of stupidity makes us look like clowns in the eyes of most real Irish. Soon after, in a bold move, Irish Distillers decided to close all of their existing distilleries, and to consolidate production at a new purpose-built facility in Midleton (the New Midleton Distillery) alongside their existing Old Midleton Distillery. But the Bushmills Distillery Reserve, a bottle of which my very, very good sister recently brought back as a gift from Belfast, is holy smoking delicious good. [1] In recent years, several single pot still variants have been relaunched under the Powers label. But it was mentioned in passing at several rural pubs in co. Mayo and Sligo that Bushmills was loyalist swill, all in good fun Im sure but its not limited to plastic paddies. This was the time when Protestantism, through its definitive break with Roman Catholicism, arose to take its place on the Christian map. Father Urban has succeeded as a business operator on behalf of his monastic . Asked the guide about it. The numbers level out when it comes to religions those. Bushmills is produced from 100% malted barley and grain whiskey (which it receives from the Midleton Distillery in Co. Cork where Jameson is made). I remember back in my younger days hearing of the Troubles and feeling for those involved and I felt mostly for the Catholics. All of this is just silly, Ireland is totally united in the bottle. bushmills / black bush or a shirley bassey as we call it is by far thwe superior whisky in the lower price range. This is coming from a protestant raised irish man from the local area. The new bottling hall is also taking shape even though itll be a while before the on site whiskey will be bottled. (typically with the dots de-emphasised using colour and font size), is a brand of Irish whiskey produced by William Grant & Sons. It is a fact that Bushmills is distilled in Northern Ireland, and Jameson hails from County Cork in the Republic. That was over 40 years ago. Yep, this goes back to when Bushmills was still part of IDL (Irish Distillers Limited) and owned by Pernod. Bushmills, which refused to hire Catholics for many years has been actively trying to recruit Catholic employees of late, because the pay a wee tax penalty for lack of diversity in their workforce. I even stayed in what was one of the hotbed cities during the troubles. Thats like native Americans boycotting jack Daniels because of American colonialism. I was aware of the obvious problem with the claim that Bushmills is 'protestant whisky' but this gives a great insight. Class dismissed. My South Side Irish Chicago Dad always told me that Jameson was the Catholic whisky and that Bushmills was the whiskey made by the damn Protestants. My wife has just blown raspberries on my belly whilst Ive been reading this crap seriously it doesnt matter which type of sky fairy you believe in bushmills black label vs tulamore dew is a close run thing and depends on how and what mood youre in rather that some stupid pagan affiliation. Hats off to all the others. Drink is one thing that unites Ireland it is shocking to see that some, primarily in the US, try to politicise it. Theres Whiskey and a prod or a catholic will drink it either way. I have even concocted a drink for St. Patricks day,. Support the old sod. Holy moly, Redbreast makes for good sipping but for my budget Powers is my standby. Not sure if it is available outside of Ireland, but if you can, get a hold of a bottle. Irish whiskey is only good for shots. @Darby OGill. I think Paddys may be even rarer in the US than Powers. Protestant whiskey is typically made in Northern Ireland, while Catholic whiskey is made in the Republic of Ireland. The cheap rustic stuff is often the best. The date 1608 listed all over the Bushmills bottle is not only the date The King of England allowed distilling to take place in Northern Ireland it is also the date the plantation of Ulster began. Colum Egan (Master Distiller of Bushmills) is himself a Catholic. Ive been to the area that Bush Mills in manufactured and its total UFV territory. Powers Gold Label is also wonderful and dirt cheap. I will second the Powers recommendation to add some turf to the fire. One good friend turned to me and chuckled. I believe that Germany is the largest market for Tullamore Dew, followed by many of the Eastern European countries. According to everyone Ive spoken with on the subject, you only really find this debate in the States, where Irish-American support of the Republic can sometimes be blind and often fueled by the very product were speaking of. I lived through this and lost people to it, and it saddens me to read this. All in all meaning, were I to have gone to Ireland to visit, my relatives would probably have been more confused than was I. I would wager that half the comments are from people that have never been to Irelandif I drink vodka does this make me a communist -no! Been sipping since I was a wee-lad and have tried lots of whiskey with leanings towards both Irish whiskey and Single malt Scotches. The date of 1608 doesnt even specifically relate to that brand but that a license was granted in somewhere in that general area. Im married to a Protestant and my best friend and fellow whiskey hound is a also one. It is Bushmills that supplies single malt (The Old Bushmills Distillery is the only one of the three in Ireland that distills only triple distilled single malt whiskey, while the Midleton Distillery produces grain & pure potstill spirit and Cooley produces double distilled single malt, grain & potstill), as well as doing the bottling for Jameson, Powers & Paddys (All from Midleton, along with Red Breast, Greenspot & Tullamore Dew). So, which Irish whiskey is Catholic? Three persons in one God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Id suggest Tullamore Dew, it was founded by Catholics and is still owned by a nice Irish Catholic company. All Irish whiskey is great. Get over it and drink what you feel. I often wonder why those Irish-Americans (usually in Irish bars of Boston or New York)who bring up this absurd and frankly bigoted discussion about Protestant & Catholic whiskey do not apply the same rule when it comes to drinking that most Irish of drinks Guinness. 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