Listen to the cop who interrogated him after he tells that stupid story. According to the Denver Channel, Watts received three life prison terms without the possibility of parole. It is my opinion that one could not have this mix in the stomach unless it was swallowed and if the stomping on the head didnt bring Bella out of unconsciousness before being immersed in the oil, then she was very possibly (and hopefully) unaware of what was happening. Celestes was similar. Did you mention in your book that Shannan thought her marriage was wonderful and things started changing around the time your Hero Chris Watts started having an affair? Like a scene from Friday the 13th. Was Niko Buried With Shan'ann Watts? What information to that extent do you expect *an autopsy* to provide?? And to think CW called a co-worker @ 5pm to tell him that he would be going directly to the oil battery site and told the co-worker he didnt need to. Everything else was secondary or something to be minimized so she could focus on her addiction. He organized the bins in the basement. Police saw a bed sheet. Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. First off she was supposed to have been in a rage enough to have been snuffing the life out of her daughter & then when she sees the object of her rage that caused this who then starts to fight with her & strangle her she doesnt dig her nails into him anywhere? Thanks for making the reports public. The money was going somewhere, and the ultimate location all points to ShanAnn the expensive preschool for their girls while ShanAnn quit work to be a stay-at-home mom (she could have been taking care of them herself during the day instead of paying top dollar for strangers to); the Leona Helmsley-level of excessive expensive shoes; that trip to Arizona (which ShanAnn had to pay for) when they were in such a dire financial disaster (credit cards all maxxed out) in service to her MLM; the expensive leased car whose payments werent guaranteed to be paid by the MLM company; all those manicures (those aint cheap) and so on and so forth. I think His story is believable. Under anaerobic conditions (absence of free oxygen) acids such as lactic acid, acetic acid and butyric acid are produced during decomposition, as well as a number of alcohols which include butyl alcohol, ethyl alcohol and acetone. Once Shanann got in bed and settled to sleep, he then got on her and, like a snake, squeezed the life out of his prey. Here is what the International OCD Foundation says. Good to have a former forensic detective around. x, Ive said this before. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life. If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. I havent finished reading the Discovery yet (just at the freaky prison fan mail/hate mail) but I havent read anything yet about any DNA testing of the sheets? She was an environmental science person. Judging any of the characters in this story as either all good or all bad doesnt help us figure out what really happened. How dare you blame the victim? She texted him the morning she left for Arizona thanking him for letting her hold him that morning. These are just my opinions (based on zero knowledge). She strangled them.. He had strangled me while I was pinned down to the floor, face up. I believe she was probably sleeping when he smothered her. It is a condition that causes you to have irrational and uncontrolled thoughts, and the only way to make the thoughts stop, is to perform a ritual. He knew right where to thump her neckher surgical site. And all I can see is ShanAnns MLM addiction coupled with the desire to live well beyond her means, to give an impression that she was rich-rich-rich, which Im sure she envisioned as a way to promote her business get new people to sign on. Ive seen many people die in the hospital where I worked- not everyone poops when they die (and their stomachs were empty)- except the oil in the Angels stomach. While I agree MLM is 100% a pyramid scheme and bad news and that the long term use of their products probably do more harm than good (e.g. Explains why Shanann didnt fight back. We cannot have that thing on earth with us. If that were in fact the equivalent of an $80,000 *salary*, they wouldnt have been behind on their mortgage and HOA dues. Usually when theres a fight while strangulation is occurring the perpetrator uses so much force the hyoid bone is broken; shannans was not. If Im interpreting the autopsy correctly he effectively smothered and strangled at the same time but I never see this mentioned anywhere. Hey, I appreciate ppls input but to act all high and mighty and be disrespectful of others by trying to make them look and feel like idiotsI dont care how much you know or how smart you are. ( when they were arguing she couldnt sleep & had been crying all night ) What happened when she got home nobody knows, but I do believe she felt comfortable enough to go online and shop. Ive not discussed it here though, its in the books. It was already reported that Shannan evacuated her bowels when dying and that is why he took the sheet off, He told police that. Good work. I dont think I know everything, but I do know more about this case than most. But yeah I really think he was being nicer to her to assure she had her guard down when he murdered her; which was when she was sleeping, on the sofa upstairs on her phone or laptop, or god forbid he initiated some kind of intimacy that turned into her death. C . There was a largely decomposed fetus expelled from the uterus. Prior to taking the test he was asked a bunch of questions one of them was name some ways you could make somebody disappear. Her Dad stated that Shanann would often sleep on the sofa when he stayed at the house, and again when she was in NC after Chris arrived. There are FBI profilers who are trained at reading people by what they dont say & in Chriss case sometimes he says too much. ~KSmallz. Notice she was undressed when found. He may have sprung himself on her in the bathroom, came in after her and turned the light off or something, being an easier/tiled place to clean up any traces? With ShanAnn, IF she was attacked and killed shortly after she arrived home, while still downstairs, she would have still been dressed her underwear and pants would have caught it. I did mention that Shanann was still in love with him and wanted a child with, and wanted to work on their marriage right up until the moment of her death. Do you have any family that said she had OCD? @nickdvl. The second dog was simply a tracker dog, not trained for cadavers but to track a missing person. This was the 6th MLM that ShanAnn had been involved in she was apparently a MLM junkie. He is very thorough, very professional, analyses and peels back all the layers. No, so you have same information that anyone else has. What do you think about the 8 inch thief hatch, and the narrowest section of Ceecees hips being 9.5 inches, according to the autopsy? Of course he kept saying hed never hurt those kids, he was lying, trying to save his ass. I think she was killed in the basement, just by the bottom of the staircase, by the fridges and the area where they stored old rope. You see any documents with that diagnosis? Dont jump on me buthear me bnb ot, I believe Chris. Unless you count her phone. Police reportsPhotos of the Watts family in the police reports. The bra thing means nothing, my daughter is big busted as well and slept in her bra when she was pregnant because her breasts that were tender were less bothersome at night if she wore one. Like 1 in the kitchen by her purse. He may not of been able to face their killings but if he was distant, cold, towards her, like the reports say, he wouldnt of had a problem killing her by strangulation if he was emotionally distant. I think Chris pretended to be asleep because I think hes a coward and wouldnt have wanted to interact with her. Rigor mortis lasts 8-12 hours. There is no soul in his eyes. Also, we usually can find some urine, fecal material, body fluid on the bed sheet and the quilt. Powered by. Chris Watts advised that blankets and stuffed animals were left by the sheet which was near Shananns grave. They found nothing of any importance under her fingernail scrapings. But considering she seemed to be an amazing mother, I highly doubt she was drinking. I am doing a project for school and i would like to have a look at them. Mark your theory makes a lot of sense. Was the examiner not able to determine the order in which Shanann and the girls were killed? She was not drinking! Youre not Shanann Watts. I tend to have the feeling ; with the way the justice system and penalties are enforced in the US .that he is probably in solitary confinement for his own protection!! The reports show that the bodies of both little girls were placed inside oil containers with a narrow opening that was only 8 inches in diameter. The graphic autopsy reports detail the condition of all three bodies after they were recovered from an oil site owned by Anadarko Petroluem, where Chris Watts buried them. On page six of the report in the General Internal Examination findings, it states:- He added Shannan in as an after thought, or Shannanor my wife (Oh and the bra with pregnant women 100% The T and underwear sleep outfit? But legally it was in Chriss name. Not Shanann! Ethanol makes sense, especially because it could be disguised in the chemicals themselves. My husband and I wrestle and if he sits on my chest with my arms by my side, I cant move. Told everyone I was bipolar, that we were divorced, even took me to one of his counseling sessions to prove I was the one with the problem. Would he have cleaned up Shannans stuff if he didnt kill them? Completely empty stomach contents doesnt necessarily indicate they died when Shanann died. Like someone took over his body. Why else would he go there with 3 bodies? Googled ways to suffocate children? Its something so outside my wheelhouse that I didnt even know it could me done. Typo. He was adamant that no no nothing like that happened but the female agent is sympathetic & is using a technic which is to put the blame on another person & make him feel less at fault. Everyone did think I was the nutty one by what he said cause he was a great guy to them. OCD can be like gluten-sensitivities. Advertisement. I cannot get over what he did. She even labelled food in her kitchen. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. Yes, Posted Youtube videos shows that her office was messy. Bellas stomach contained 75 milliliters of green-black fluid, the report states, which was most likely from the oil tank she was placed inside. It makes the crime even more heinous in my mind because it would have required a lot of thought concerning the logistics. He said in his admissions that she deficated during the murder in thier bed, where he wrapped her in a sheet and moved her to the floor immediately- where he was interrupted by the girls waking up (after his first attempt to kill them by suffocating them in thier sleep)- the girls were killed in his truck CeCe was wearing a diaper, so even if she had deficated or urinated it would be unclear after days in the crude oil.. And Bella was likely not dead but simply unconscious again when he dumped her body- therefore, even if she did relax enough to evacuate her bowels and bladder- it wasnt until she was in the crude oil tank. She just laid there still because he was in such a rage? Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? Shananns Blood Alcoholic Content was 0.128. October 3, 2018 / 12:35 PM / CBS Colorado. The police reports contain a conversation Chris had with his father. He continuously maintained throughout the entire interrogation that he would never hurt those kids. She had the girls in daycare full time to the tune of $500 a week, spending $28k a year per official documents, and this HAD to be a financial strain. You can pooh-pooh OCD if its not you, but OCD especially for someone with a chronic disease tends to be quite significant. Not sure if it is true, but I heard that the GF (Nicole) and his parents are both doing book deals! @nickvdl Hi. I see it is listed as pronounced and no estimates of time for cause of death? If the girls were dead by ca. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished although decomposing Caucasian female whose appearance is generally Kind of comforting too if they were unconscious when murdered they wouldnt have died in fear and terror. After 2nd child, changed. Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. I always slept in a bra when I was in my 20s and 30s. But there were some issues. Have they watched something? Watts was arrested on August 15, 2018. And the fact that theyd had a bankruptcy in 2015 apparently hadnt helped her wise up at all. Areas of bruising, external. Theres plenty of liqueurs that are very well hidden in frozen shakes etc. Triggers related to cleanliness and symptoms related to washing make up only a small part of the range Surprised he didnt run them thru the washer. No evidence of cake or undigested dinner. The girls were wearing nightgowns, Cece a pink nightgown with birds on it, and Bellas nightgown had a unicorn or believe on it. Meacham [who knew Shanann from school] described Shanaan as OCD in the way the household operated. Thats the update; at the beginning of the article, theres a link to the first contact between her and the financial counselor. The autopsy noted that recovered items included oil soaked pink pajama type top with images of hearts and butterflies and a pair of oil soaked underwear.. I dont think enough people are looking at the theory that Chris had flipped a switch with her in the days leading to her death. I was writing in a passion. Page 582, 6. Shanann Was Wrapped in a Sheet & Buried in a Shallow Grave That Watts Dug With a Shovel Police reportsThe crime scene. I didnt see any evidence that Shanann tried to defend herself, probably because he sat on top of her. Death by asphyxiation in each case. She asked him to keep the receipt for taxes. But thats me. She didnt try to bite him? Can anyone comment about the oil content in the one childs stomach? Talk to first reponders or health care workers. I remember reading as part of the Scott Peterson murder investigation that they found traces of fecal matter in the carpet (which had been cleaned) in a downstairs hallway, I think, but I just looked around and couldnt find anything, so I must have mis-remembered. If someone begins to strangle you while youre in a deep sleep and laying down you may never regain enough consciousness to fight back. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. No sign of that either. Everything you say can & has been disputed. Chris is dead inside. She says did Shannan do something that made you do something? They say: Chris told his father, She hurt them. Kinda odd. ShanAnn claimed to be pulling down $80,000 a year. Is there any way you can send it to my email please. GREELEY, Colo. Authorities released Monday the autopsy reports of Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3. Chris is a monster. Hello everyone, I love that guy. My son has many medical issues as well, doesnt make me a hypochondriac ffs she isnt here to defend herself maybe back off a bit. And in his own words under his own free will he admitted he act it killed his kids twice before that was ever said. In fact, I wonder if LeVel pulled some strings in Chris plea bargain it would certainly be better for the MLM to not have details about its pernicious effect on this familys finances coming out in a court trial. Ive slept in my bra for 25 years since I got my first breast implants. He was a mechanic. He had to be gripping her face pretty damn hard to leave fingerprint bruises along the left side of her face. Why was the oil/sludge found in Bellas stomach? He knew immediately Watts was guilty as well as the neighbor viewing the camera. Mark, that is really interesting! There was no oil in Ceces stomach. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. Plenty of women do. You get to know the people involved in a criminal investigation pretty well after writing 4 x 30 000+ word narratives. Shanann had extensive injuries to her neck. And even if he did not kill them twice so to speak, he killed the on in front of the other with no thoughts to their fear levels or anything but yet you put all the blame on another of the victims. Christopher Watts, the husband of pregnant Shanann Watts and the father of Bella and 3-year-old Celeste, pleaded guilty to killing all three in August. Theres a very clear indicator when the children died. Poor Bella was smothered with extreme force to her face that it left bruising. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. If you believe that Chris didnt kill his daughters, then why on earth did he dump their bodies in oil tanks like they were trash? If she was murdered in bed, why isnt there any evidence of that? Why was her phone downstairs along with suitcase. Inhaling ethanol fumes would make them all instant drunk and completely defenseless. ( oh & yes there were handprints in both sides of her neck according to autopsy ) on his arms? Autopsy reports for Bella and Celeste say that the necks of the children were swabbed even though they were in a container of oil, water, and associated sludge matter. Makes me so sick. Also I agree much is still withhhed from the public. Diana, this is something several of us have noted as well. Shan'ann, Bella and Celeste Watts 25 Page Autopsy Report | TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek CRIME NEWS WATTS KNOX JonBenet MCCANN WM3 PENDING TOOLBOX TCRS YOUTUBE ARCHIVE The phone was found in the cushions of that upstairs couch, not the downstairs couch. Part of the evidence that he put into the trash. They are The People Of The Lie. (Scott Peck). Ive been on those late flight arrivals often. He was holding me down by sitting on me, one leg on each side of my stomache. He is a monster. Chris said he forgot the phone. It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. Watts, a 33-year-old Colorado oil worker, killed his wife, Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant, along with his two daughters aged three and four on August 13, 2018. Take Jodi Arias she lured him into a shower and made sure she was armed and he was naked, vulnerable and unsuspecting when she attacked him. Doesnt mean he couldnt have used his presence in the marital bed to induce her to get close to him and give him the opportunity. Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely? Reay & Holloway (1982) state that during neck holds, the blood flow to the head is reduced by 85% within six seconds. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. Addendum: The cadaver dog wasaso very interested in the washing machine and his handler, Jayne, says quite clearly that her dog has scented death by the machine (check the K9 video, but watch the volume, the cadaver dogs bark is quite shrill! Thoughts? This is horrific, shocking, my mind is greatly troubled by this aspect. As previously reported, Shanann Watts was 15 weeks pregnant at the time of her murder, with a baby boy the couple had already named Niko. 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