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By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Li slowly sat down. Li also boarded the bus a short time later. Bus passengers were severely traumatized. The Criminal Code Review Board in Manitoba said Monday it needs a few days to decide if Li gets the absolute discharge he is seeking. But it got even worse. Tim let a blood-curdling scream. The driver braked the Greyhound to an emergency halt. BETWEEN THE BIKERS NEW BASED-ON-TRUE-CRIME BOOK RELEASE, NXIVM THE CRAZY SEX CULT OF KEITH RANIERE, A PRETTY EVIL TALK WITH AUTHOR SUE COLETTA, LAST STATEMENTS FROM THE TEXAS DEATH ROW CHAMBER, ON THE FLOOR NEW BASED-ON-TRUE-CRIME BOOK BY GARRY RODGERS. He quit his job in 2006 and became a forklift operator. Records are sketchy about his mental assessments. God made me do it, Li said. The 2008 murder of 22-year-old Tim McLean, attacked as he slept in his seat on a bus about an hour outside of his home town of Winnipeg, was one of the most ultra-violent killings imaginable. First published on May 18, 2012 / 11:48 AM. Nor was he taking any when he boarded the Greyhound bus. While in the hospital, Li was sued by several of the bus's passengers and that had been present during the attack, as well as McLean's family members. The innocent and unsuspecting victim was Tim McLean, 22, a carnival worker heading home for a break. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. WAS ALBERT DESALVO REALLY THE BOSTON STRANGLER? On March 5, 2009, McLean's killer, a 40-year-old Chinese-Canadian named Vince Li, was found not criminally responsible (NCR) for the murder, and was remanded to a high-security mental health facility in Selkirk, Manitoba, where he was detained until his release on May 8, 2015. 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THE CANADIAN PRESS/Trevor Hagan ORG XMIT: WPGT105, tap here to see other videos from our team. Tldr: rehabilitation is a wonderful thing, but if you, without provocation, stab a sleeping person in the throat, saw their head off, eat their eyeballs and put their ears in your pockets as trophies while dangling their . The decision was blasted by critics nationwide, as Canadians asked how a man who decapitated a Greyhound passenger less than 10 years earlier could possibly be set free. He now moves amongst us. I'm looking forward to putting more of my content into audio and developing new, original podcasts on mental health topics. Li paraded Tims lifeless headback and forthup and downalong the parked Greyhounds aisle. WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN NATALIE WOODS DEATH? An Ontario father has become an advocate for people designated "not criminally responsible" after his daughter was nearly stabbed to death in 1999. Now ask yourself if this individual would really ever consider going off his medication? May 18, 2012 / 11:48 AM "If he's not responsible for his own behavior, then the state, the government, must step in and be responsible for him for the rest of (his) natural life.". The board said the passes should only be granted if Li's treatment team believes his condition is stable and that it would be "appropriate and safe for him to leave the locked ward." But could it be prevented? Article content. Vince Li, seen here outside the Portage la Prairie provincial building last fall, goes on trial for the beheading death of Tim McLean. 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On March 5, 2009, Vince Li was found not criminally responsible for the murder and decapitation of 22-year-old Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus near Portage la Prairie, Man. He had no family, no friends, no support and no supervision. When Vince Li committed the act that he did he had been suffering from undiagnosed schizophrenia, and was in the throes of a psychosis-induced episode. Petrified passengers stood outside as traffic whizzed by. I dont think it matters if youre mentally ill or not. There has to be some permanent restraint put on potentially dangerous people who prove theyre capable of violent acts. RACHEL AMPHLETTA CRIME THRILLER/INDIE AUTHOR GOLDEN GEM. 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Its also existentially true that theres nothing stopping you from driving your car into a group of people, yet that doesn't mean you will. All Rights Reserved. On March 5, 2009, a Manitoba court found Vince Li not criminally responsible for the horrific death of Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus seven months earlier. Carol and Tims father, Tim McLean Sr. never got to say goodbye to their sonhis body was completely unviewable. He also cut off his ear, nose, and tongue. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. There, he spent the night on a bench outside a grocery store. A tall Asian man named Vince Li boarded the bus and sat toward the front in a seat by himself. When Vince Li committed the act that he did he had been suffering from undiagnosed schizophrenia, and was in the throes of a psychosis-induced episode. 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These guys can get crazier than The Guy on the Greyhound Bus. Mounties look into the bus in which Vince Li was holed up along with the decapitated body of Tim McLean. Thats when hellish horror happened. [1] [2] Incident [ edit] Vince Li, who now goes by Will Baker, was granted full discharge Friday afternoon. Ambrose is smart enough to know that Li is not actually a criminalbut a little too politically minded, apparently, to care. From our newsroom to your inbox at noon, the latest headlines, stories, opinion and photos from the Toronto Sun. She's not entirely alone. But the justice system is treating him like he's cured: Robyn Urback | CBC News Loaded. (ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS MAKING YOU WANT TO PUNCH SOMEONE IN THE FACE). 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This means that someone must literally commit the act of the crime, and they must also be in a state of mind to consciously and willfully intend to do so, in order to be found guilty. 2023 Toronto Sun, a division of Postmedia Network Inc. All rights reserved. One of the officers who responded to the attack suffered from PTSD and later committed suicide. Its exactly like it never happened. They even helped Li change his name to Will Baker. After he was deemed NCR, he was sent to the Selkirk Mental Health Centre for treatment. But what about when someone commits a heinous, violent act while in the midst of a paranoid delusion? The week following the attack, Greyhound Canada announced it was pulling a series of nationwide advertisements which included the slogan, "There's a reason you've never heard of bus rage.". Li at some point married a woman named Anna and became a menial worker at Grant Memorial Church, working there for six months despite the language barrier between him and others. It is all well and good, of course, to destigmatize mental illness but quite another to believe that Li is a miracle of forensic psychiatry, and has an almost zero chance of reoffending. There was little regard for the publics protection that Linow Will Bakerwould be permanently locked up like the law should allow. Imagine you're standing in a crowded public place a playground, a movie theatre, a grocery store when all of a sudden, you feel someone press something into your ribs. He could have never expected the reality that awaited him outside that Greyhound bus; he probably expected to be met as a hero. Public protection is low on their scale. He smashed out a window and leaped to the ground meeting jolts from a Taser and teeth from a dog. Without warningLi pulled a Bowie knife from his pack. By submitting a comment, you accept that CBC has the right to reproduce and publish that comment in whole or in part, in any manner CBC chooses. After the incident, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) attempted to run an ad in the Portage Daily Graphic comparing the killing of McLean to the consumption of animals. The Manitoba Criminal Code Review Board. Vince Li was undiagnosed before he beheaded Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus eight and a half years ago, meaning he has never had to voluntarily stick to a treatment plan. Other passengers described Li as unremarkableup to this point. The Schizophrenia Society of Canada released an interview with Vince Li on Tuesday, saying Li's story needs to be told to "add a human touch to a horrible tragedy." The interview was. A forensic psychiatrist was quoted saying at Lees release hearing that, in his opinion, Li had only a 0.8% chance of relapsing. Li was institutionalized sometime before gaining his citizenship after being found by officers "following the sun", something he claimed God told him to do. Even the judge. Last week, a Criminal Code review board decided that Li can start having escorted trips off the hospital grounds and into the nearby city of Selkirk. The prosecutor. There are extensive videos and transcripts available on hours and hours of a forensic psychiatrist interviewing Li and trying to get inside his head. Tim was clearly dead but Li wasnt even close to finished. They put him on medication and under various therapies. Some mental health advocates (and perhaps, their libertarian friends) would call it unjust to subject NCR offenders who have completed treatment and rehabilitation to any conditions. The Guy On The Greyhound Bus was Vince Weiguang Li, a 40-year-old Chinese immigrant to Canada who left Edmonton, Alberta eastbound for Winnipeg in the Province of Manitoba. The innocent and unsuspecting victim was Tim McLean, 22, a carnival worker heading home for a break. Now that Vince Li was out of the courts and jails, he was in the care of mental health care workers. Vince Li, who beheaded a fellow passenger aboard a Greyhound bus in Manitoba nearly four years ago, believed he was chosen by God to save people from an alien attack. They got him to function in an apparently normal state and began testing his response to freedom by slowly integrating him back into society. As the bus pulled out of the stop, he moved to the back, to the vacant seat next to McLean. McLean had his eyes closed and was listening to music on his headphones when Li suddenly stood up and started stabbing him. Maybe he moonlights as an actuary. The defense. Then Li stood. Li held minimal paying jobs at Walmart and did paper deliveries. To many, it won't seem "right" that someone has to check in with the legal system forever just because he or she suffers from an illness and committed a crime, but at the same time, it's arguably worse to assume that everything is fine, to shrug off whatever act landed the individual in the justicesystem in the first place, and to blindly trust that he or she won't decide one day that medication is no longer needed. He was deemed not criminally responsible and received mental. "I'm not stigmatizing mental issues. From 1994-1998, Li worked in Beijing as a computer software engineer. Create an account or sign in to continue with your reading experience. NASA didnt know but Canadian students did, Trudeau briefed multiple times since 2019 on election interference, adviser testifies, Huge Jurassic-era bug found outside Arkansas Walmart in super-rare discovery, Missing father of 3 found inside sharks stomach, IDed by tattoo, Massive, multi-year B.C. Hed been quiet and distant. The reason Li had so dramatically short-circuited in 2008, and had begun to hear voices urging him to kill? It was their mandate. Please try again. Li was undiagnosed before he killed McLean, meaning he has never had to voluntarily stick to a treatment plan. Vince Li got on that Greyhound prepared to kill. Get browser notifications for breaking news, live events, and exclusive reporting. Family and friends of victim Tim McLean, wearing t-shirts remember him, enter the Law Courts in Winnipeg, Canada, March 3, 2009 prior to the trial of Vince Li. It could not have ended any uglier. Subscribe now to read the latest news in your city and across Canada. WHATS YOUR EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE QUOTIENT (E-IQ) SCORE? The public discourse around the trial has been disheartening, although I do recognize that it largely stems from ignorance rather than malice. Li also told Summerville he would like to be forgiven. Now Li moved toward the back. Part Norman Bates. Li listened to what he had to say before; the system should make it harder for thatto happen again. Vince Li, the man who beheaded Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus in 2008, was given an unconditional discharge resulting in a call for more education on mental health issues. University of Winnipeg and downtown community newspaper. No one argued that. The psychiatrists. Tim McLean was an innocent young man. God chose me as the killer and God chose Tim as the victim. Vince Li, or whatever the fuck he's changed his name to, deserves at the very least, a lifetime of professional supervision. THE BIZARRE DEATH OF THE TOXIC LADY GLORIA RAMIREZ, WHY FIFTY SHADES IS PHENOMENALLY POPULAR WITH (some) WOMEN. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/vince-li-discharge-1.3977278. There were plenty. A few years ago, a psychiatrist at the Selkirk Mental Health Centre near Winnipeg seeking limited freedom for Li set the wheels in motion by testifying that Li had a 0.8% chance of reoffending. 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